Bread of Life Discourse
By Joey - Posted on August 9th, 2007
Tagged: Catholics
• Protestants
Jonathan,
As a protestant I was never able to understand the meaning of this requirement that Jesus places on everlasting life.
"Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. He that eateth ["chew"] my flesh and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed" (John 6:54-56)
How are you reading this as a member of the Church of Christ?
I am interested in a discussion,
Joey
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Does the Church of Christ teach specifically about this?
I think your interpretation is a reasonable start - but there is much more from what I have read.
What does your minister say about this one? Given the graphic nature of the saying, i.e., use of the word for "chew", what is the theology?
This is interesting to me because it is a "hard saying" and many disciples left Jesus (ca. 70 -100 walked out!!) after this teaching.
js
Since the c of C has no formal structure above the local congregation, it has no official teachings like other churches have. There are plenty of subjects about which there are standard, traditional "church of Christ" viewpoint that were commonly held when the c of C was more homogeneous (say, in the 1950's...i.e. after splits with Christian Chruch and Disciples of Christ and before the tension arised between the folks who cling to the 50's and the folks whose viewpoints have evolved).
Anyway, these verses are not ones that have been controversial in the c of C, and I don't think there is any standard, specific teaching about it.
I'll ask our minister what his view is.
from our minister:
Jonathan,
Thanks for relaying your ministers comments. Before getting into documents outside the bible and before appealing to Greek scholars, I think there are some other real obvious issues that need explaining.
Namely, as I mentioned in my post above, the issue that many (apparently almost all) of his disciples left him after this saying.
6:67. After this, many of his disciples went back and walked no more with him. 6:68. Then Jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away?
Further, as we can all read in 6:68 and afterward, Jesus didn't run after them waving his hands and yelling "I was only talking symbolically, come back!!!". Instead, he asks the 12 if they will also leave. Peter, then responds that they will stay, as I am sure you have read.
So this seems way beyond symbolic or memoralizing via a straightforward reading of the text. This text is emphatic about eating flesh and drinking blood. This certainly rails against Jewish traditions - hence the walkout.
Agreed?
js
Joseph Ratzinger wrote a book about this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0898709628/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-1192986-7532715#reader-link
which deals with the issue. i personally feel totally unqualified to add to the discussion, but i guess since he's a very senior theologian, he'll probably know what he's talking about...
JM,
I finally got PM's link to work and looked at the TOC. I will buy this book for myself. I offer to get you a copy if you are interested?
Please advise, js
Sure, though I fear I'm putting my life in danger if my stack of "to read" books ever gets out of balance and falls over and crushes me.
Eventually I'll get back to taking a look at this and also the infallibility material from way back
Yes, the stack is large, builds up next to my chair, then I move 80% of it to the "back" of the house.
I have started a new "stack" of books, the finished pile. This has been helpful - I do actually finish books at a fairly good pace - just not as fast as I seem to buy them.
The order with Amazon has been placed. - js