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Jonathan,

As a protestant I was never able to understand the meaning of this requirement that Jesus places on everlasting life.

"Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. He that eateth ["chew"] my flesh and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed" (John 6:54-56)

How are you reading this as a member of the Church of Christ?

I am interested in a discussion,

Joey

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In the context he is comparing himself to the manna that God provided the Israelites to sustain them after leaving Egypt.  He's saying that he is the true bread from God that will not just temporarily sustain them physically but will sustain them for eternity.  On that level it seems like he is using the language of eating and drinking to represent internalizing and devoting one's self to him.  It also seems like a reference to communion.

Does the Church of Christ teach specifically about this?

I think your interpretation is a reasonable start - but there is much more from what I have read. 

What does your minister say about this one?  Given the graphic nature of the saying, i.e., use of the word for "chew", what is the theology?

This is interesting to me because it is a "hard saying" and many disciples left Jesus (ca. 70 -100 walked out!!) after this teaching. 

js

Since the c of C has no formal structure above the local congregation, it has no official teachings like other churches have.  There are plenty of subjects about which there are standard, traditional "church of Christ" viewpoint that were commonly held when the c of C was more homogeneous (say, in the 1950's...i.e. after splits with Christian Chruch and Disciples of Christ and before the tension arised between the folks who cling to the 50's and the folks whose viewpoints have evolved).

Anyway, these verses are not ones that have been controversial in the c of C, and I don't think there is any standard, specific teaching about it.

I'll ask our minister what his view is. 

from our minister:

"Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him" (John 6:54-56).

What Jesus had been saying in the negative is now stated in the positive. Anyone who eats Christ's flesh and drinks His blood has eternal life will be raised up on the last day.

The word "eats" is a different Greek word than used previously, and it is used again in verses 56, 57, 58. This word is applied to noisy feeding, and can be translated to munch or crunch. It is the word the ancients used when denoting eating with enjoyment (i.e. Matthew 24:38). Greek scholars are somewhat startled that this word is used by Jesus in this context. Catholic scholars point to this word and context and say it is referring to the sacrament of eating the literal body and blood of Christ.

Most scholars, however, render a different view because of the context and structure of the wording. The verb usage does not denote a literal eating. It would have been understood as being symbolic. When Jesus instituted the Lord's Supper, He referred to the bread as His body and told His disciples to eat, and the same with the fruit of the vine. The way it was presented was symbolic in nature. When He said these words, He was still in the flesh. To be consistent, we would have to say that when He instituted the supper, the bread and wine were also literally His body and His blood.

Jesus was attempting to direct His disciples to see that Christ Himself was the true source of their sustenance. His teaching is an emphatic statement that true food and drink for our deepest needs are to be found in Christ, and by implication in Him alone.

Christians never had the understanding of the doctrine of transubstantiation until several centuries after Roman Catholicism had taken root. In fact, it wasn't until after the Council of Constance (AD 1415) that Catholicism settled on the doctrine, which included at that time the eating only of the bread, but not partaking of the wine. The Council of Constance stated that the laity could not partake of the wine. The early church did not know of any such practice.

The Lord's Supper was/is a memorial, not an eating of Jesus.

 

Jonathan,

Thanks for relaying your ministers comments.  Before getting into documents outside the bible and before appealing to Greek scholars, I think there are some other real obvious issues that need explaining.

Namely, as I mentioned in my post above, the issue that many (apparently almost all) of his disciples left him after this saying.  

6:67. After this, many of his disciples went back and walked no more with him. 6:68. Then Jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away?

Further, as we can all read in 6:68 and afterward, Jesus didn't run after them waving his hands and yelling "I was only talking symbolically, come back!!!".  Instead, he asks the 12 if they will also leave.  Peter, then responds that they will stay, as I am sure you have read.

So this seems way beyond symbolic or memoralizing via a straightforward reading of the text.  This text is emphatic about eating flesh and drinking blood.  This certainly rails against Jewish traditions - hence the walkout.

Agreed?

js

Joseph Ratzinger wrote a book about this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0898709628/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-1192986-7532715#reader-link

which deals with the issue. i personally feel totally unqualified to add to the discussion, but i guess since he's a very senior theologian, he'll probably know what he's talking about...

JM,

I finally got PM's link to work and looked at the TOC.  I will buy this book for myself.  I offer to get you a copy if you are interested? 

Please advise, js

Sure, though I fear I'm putting my life in danger if my stack of "to read" books ever gets out of balance and falls over and crushes me. Eye-wink

Eventually I'll get back to taking a look at this and also the infallibility material from way back 

Yes, the stack is large, builds up next to my chair, then I move 80% of it to the "back" of the house. 

I have started a new "stack" of books, the finished pile.  This has been helpful - I do actually finish books at a fairly good pace - just not as fast as I seem to buy them.

The order with Amazon has been placed.  - js

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